Should You Pay Off Debt or Invest in Real Estate?

David:
That is the BiggerPockets Podcast present, 597, Seeing Greene.

David:
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David:
Hey, what’s up everybody? I’m David Greene, your host of the BiggerPockets Actual Property Podcast. Right here as we speak with a particular Seeing Greene episode. In as we speak’s episode, you get my perspective, David Greene, on methods to reply the questions that you simply guys have, in addition to what I see occurring in the true property market. And most significantly, how you need to use that to construct wealth, as a result of we at BiggerPockets care about nothing greater than that, serving to you construct wealth via actual property, the best protected and sincere method.

David:
In as we speak’s present, we’re going to take questions immediately from you who’ve submitted them at biggerpockets.com/david, for me to reply. A pair questions that you simply’re positively not going to need to miss.

David:
We bounce into it with somebody who desires to know, “Ought to I repay my pupil debt, or ought to I spend money on actual property?” You Dave Ramsey followers could need to examine this one out and let me know within the feedback what you concentrate on how I did with that query.

David:
We’ve one other actually good query about, “Ought to I home hack in a really aggressive market, or ought to I’m going to a unique market that’s much less aggressive, and do a brief time period rental?” These are in all probability two of essentially the most hottest, greatest, and strongest methods to construct wealth in all of actual property. And somebody’s taking a look at each of them, and making an attempt to determine which might be the higher possibility for them.

David:
There’s one other one who asks about, “Hey, I’m making an attempt to method any person as a beginner and I would like them to accomplice with me. What are they going to be seeking to see?”

David:
After which, the most effective questions of the entire present has to cope with your relationship together with your actual property agent. And this particular person desires to know, “Hey, what’s truthful to anticipate? Ought to I be taking a look at properties and sending it to them? Ought to they be taking a look at properties for me and sending them to me, and getting my opinion on this? I don’t need to be a jerk, however I additionally don’t need to know what’s anticipated. I’m uninterested in doing all of the work and simply sending it to my agent.” And guys, sadly, that is the way it goes lots of the time while you’re shopping for actual property. So I do my greatest job to sort out that query, give some recommendation on methods to make that relationship higher. After which, I share what the David Greene crew does with our shoppers, in order that we don’t have that very same drawback.

David:
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David:
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David:
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Raul:
Hey, David. Simply need to begin off by saying, I recognize you, recognize you taking the time to reply my query. Recognize all you do with the content material you set out, it actually helps somebody like me.

Raul:
Simply to get proper straight into it, I’ve a query. I’m graduating bodily remedy college on this upcoming Could, I’ll graduate with about 80K in debt. I’ve about 20K in liquid money, in mutual funds and ETFs. Really easy to liquid.

Raul:
My query is, ought to I simply dump all that cash into paying off my debt? Or ought to I, after I begin working, construct up extra of my reserves to presumably purchase my first home hack, after which attempt to use actual property to form of pay down my pupil mortgage debt? Thanks.

David:
All proper, Raul. First off, congratulations on on the point of graduate. I can see should you guys are watching this on YouTube, that Raul’s room seems to be prefer it’s been painted within the colours of his college. So you bought some fairly robust college spirit there. Hopefully, you may present this video on campus and everybody can see that you simply’re making huge strikes.

David:
So the query you’re asking is a very good one. And it is a quite common query that we see with actual property investing, is, “Ought to I repay my debt or ought to I make investments my cash to make cash, after which repay my debt?” Should you observe the Dave Ramsey college of pondering, it’s all the time, the reply is repay your debt. Should you observe kind of the extra BiggerPockets actual property investing world, it’s discover ways to spend money on actual property, so you are able to do so safely, develop your cash after which pay your debt off with it.

David:
I can’t reply your query immediately, as a result of sadly, what I would wish to know is what’s the rate of interest in your pupil loans. If it’s 2% or 3%, paying it off isn’t actually saving you an entire lot of cash. If it’s 12% or 15%, it would make extra sense to pay it down.

David:
However right here’s what I can inform you, with 20,000, you’re probably not going to make an enormous dent in that $80,000. So what the query we’re actually asking is, “What is step one I ought to take? And during which route ought to I take it in? Ought to I begin taking step in the direction of paying off debt? Or ought to I begin taking steps in the direction of investing in actual property? And I’ve $20,000 to go in both route.”

David:
Normally, you appear to be a sensible man. You’re listening to the podcast, you’re on the point of graduate. You’re in all probability going to be making some first rate cash as a bodily therapist. I’d be asking myself, “How do I maintain my bills in life as little as doable?” As a result of if you will get that, you may repay your debt, you may spend money on actual property, you are able to do something should you can maintain your bills low.

David:
One in every of your greatest bills or in all probability the most important expense for almost everyone is your housing expense. What you’re going to be paying in lease. And what lots of people don’t take into consideration is it’s not simply what you’re paying in lease proper now, it’s what going to be paying in lease 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years down the street should you don’t purchase a property. Return and have a look at what lease was 20 years in the past. It will likely be stunning to you ways a lot decrease it was than what it was as we speak.

David:
However I promise you, 20 years in the past, individuals had been saying the identical factor, “Oh, it’s dearer to purchase than it’s to lease. I’m going to lease and I’m going to avoid wasting cash.” Properly, you don’t find yourself saving cash, since you lose management of your personal company relating to your wealth. You’re paying another person’s mortgage. You’re paying lease that the market determines. If you purchase a home, you lock in a 30 yr mounted price. You might be paying that quantity for so long as you’re dwelling in that home.

David:
So I’m going to skew you extra in the direction of home hacking, and that’s as a result of you may remove your greatest expense, you can begin constructing wealth via a property. With the speed that properties are appreciating due to inflation, A, it doesn’t make sense to repay debt while you’re paying it again with cheaper {dollars} sooner or later. So don’t pay it off proper now, until it’s going to harm you financially. And B, no matter asset you purchase goes to go up exponentially quicker, most definitely. In fact, we don’t know that for positive. Which you’ll be able to then use to repay your debt.

David:
So if that modified, let’s say that the worth of issues went down and it didn’t enhance and also you didn’t have alternatives to get money with the true property, nicely, you might all the time pivot and begin paying off your debt then. However with the market we’re taking a look at proper now, I feel it’s good to purchase one thing that you would be able to stay in a part of it, maintain your bills low, or non-existent, and discover ways to be a landlord. Kind of actual property with coaching wheels, to get your ft beneath you. After which yearly, purchase one other home with cash that you simply save out of your bodily remedy wage.

David:
So have a look at the methods that is going to profit you. One, you’re going to maintain your bills as little as doable, by protecting your housing expense low. Two, you’re going to start out investing in actual property and study the basics. Three, you’re going to get an asset that’s more likely to recognize, that may repay your pupil loans for you. And 4, this forces you to save lots of your cash and never spend it on dumb issues since you’ll want it for the down cost of future properties.

David:
So the $20,000 you could have is nice. I commend you on saving that. Are you able to get to 30? Are you able to get 40? How a lot cash are you able to save? And may you reside beneath your means to purchase actual property? Let your actual property repay your pupil mortgage. And then you definately’ve obtained the homes and also you don’t have the debt. After which, you’re actually able to scale. I hope that is smart to you and good luck in your journey.

David:
All proper. The subsequent query is from Sarah in San Diego. “Hello, David. Thanks for sharing all of your data. I realized rather a lot after I binged listening to your present, in addition to studying the boards and three BP books, together with your BRRRR ebook. Presently renting, however have sufficient to buy a property. I stay in San Diego, California, the place costs are excessive and the market could be very scorching. I ran the numbers and located I couldn’t afford to purchase a property the place I can home hack. I appeared into different choices and leaning in the direction of getting a trip dwelling two hours away, subsequent to a well-liked vacationer vacation spot and do quick time period leases. I actually like the world, however couldn’t transfer there as there aren’t any jobs out there for me.

David:
With the identical capital, ought to I, possibility one, compete and purchase a one-one rental in San Diego, then lease it out after a yr? I’ll have greater month-to-month funds of over $800 in comparison with now, properties within the final two to 5 days after being posted. Or possibility two, keep in my condominium the place I’m paying under market comps, and purchase the holiday, single household home, short-term rental, which can cashflow $2,000 month-to-month, conservatively, after operating numbers and checking rental projections, then save sufficient for down cost for an additional home, a short-term rental or a main dwelling?

David:
Appreciation forecast for San Diego is 28.7%. Whereas the quick time period location is 23.3%. Even after the capital, I’ll have sufficient reserves for one yr. I hope you may assist me determine which possibility is the very best. Thanks once more on your time.”

David:
All proper, Sarah, the quick reply I’m going to provide you, based mostly off the numbers you gave me, the short-term rental makes extra sense. The cashflow is far stronger. The appreciation is fairly related, and you will get in quicker with out falling behind. So if every part you stated is totally correct, it in all probability makes extra sense so that you can get that quick time period rental.

David:
I’m unsure that the best way you’re taking a look at it’s completely correct. So one factor to consider, should you’re shopping for in San Diego, your amount of cash you’re going to place down is considerably lower than should you’re shopping for the quick time period rental, as a result of you should buy it as a main resident. So you might put 3.5% down, 5% down, 10% down, not 20%, 25%, 30% down, that many lenders are requiring for short-term leases which can be going to be funding properties. So even when the worth level is decrease on the short-term rental, your out pocket expense might be greater as a result of you need to put a better proportion down on the home.

David:
You additionally don’t remedy the issue of the rents that you’re going to pay going up. You stated you’re presently paying lower than market lease, however that isn’t one thing that you would be able to management ceaselessly. And you could be caught, unable to stay in San Diego in case your present dwelling state of affairs adjustments and also you don’t personal a house.

David:
So I’d say, can you discover one thing in San Diego that you would be able to make work? Don’t search for the triplex that’s already able to go. Are you able to discover a home in San Diego that has a basement you may stay in, and you’ll lease out the upstairs? Or perhaps you flip the upstairs into two totally different items, and also you lease these out, and you reside within the downstairs. Are you able to be artistic with getting your self a main residence in San Diego, if that’s the place you need to stay, that nobody can ever take it away from you, that you would be able to keep in that property so long as you need, and should you do select to go away, you could have a rental property the place you may lease out all of the items?

David:
Should you can not, the short-term rental possibility is your greatest guess, and also you’re going to should maintain shopping for these since you’re going to wish that earnings from these quick time period leases with a view to assist cowl the price of your lease, if you wish to keep dwelling in San Diego.

David:
There’s additionally a bit bit extra threat with the quick time period leases, since you don’t know if that space that you simply’re speaking about, the vacationer vacation spot goes to permit it ceaselessly. They might outlaw short-term leases. They might solely enable a specific amount of them. They might say you need to get a allow, and solely situation a specific amount of permits. It might look good proper now, however the scary factor with short-term leases is what’s it going to be like sooner or later?

David:
In order that’s simply one thing to bear in mind. I’ll sum that up by saying, should you can, I’d relatively purchase in San Diego. Get no less than one property there after which begin taking a look at these short-term leases. Should you can’t, go after these quick time period leases, however do it aggressively and maintain searching for property in San Diego on the similar time. Hope that helps. And thanks on your query.

Devon:
Hey David, the way you doing? At all times love your content material. Seeing Greene episodes are positively superior. Thanks. Maintain it coming.

Devon:
So my query is expounded to realtors, and form of what an investor can anticipate usually. That is only a curiosity now in as we speak’s market, what traders can anticipate so far as them working for the investor, and likewise for only a retail shopper. Is it cheap to anticipate that the realtor goes to exit and truly search for one thing for you and attempt to discover what you need and ship you listings? Or like lots of occasions in our expertise, you simply form of arrange a portal they usually set you free, you begin trying, ship them issues, you go and look, and it’s form of a fairly simple course of so far as that goes?

Devon:
I do know you could have your system, your three tiered system to essentially attempt to hone down, and that is with residential retail shoppers, on what truly somebody’s searching for, and really particularly searching for. And I do know it’s form of a double edged sword. The realtor, it’s in all probability irritating for them as a result of the shopper’s simply going to go look on their very own on-line. There’s a lot info and all of the listings are there. And it’s in all probability irritating lots of the occasions for the shopper, that the realtor’s probably not listening.

Devon:
So simply curious on you and your crew, do you guys truly undergo your system of determining what individuals need after which actively ship them listings? Thanks rather a lot. And discuss to you quickly.

David:
Devon, I like this query. So thanks for sending this in. That is certainly one of my private… I don’t know the best phrase to make use of to explain what that is, however that is certainly one of this stuff that I like speaking about, as a result of it is a ache level in my life after I’m working with realtors, and I see it from either side. As a result of I’m an investor and I would like my agent to do sure issues for me, however I’m additionally an agent, after which I perceive what the struggles are from there. So I’m one of many few individuals that may kind of stroll this line.

David:
Simply so you understand my credentials, I’m one of many prime brokers. Properly, now I run one of many prime groups in Keller Williams, in all the firm of 180,000 brokers. It’s the most important brokerage on the planet. So we promote lot of homes. I’ve labored with lots of people. After which clearly as an investor, I purchase lots of property and I’ve fairly excessive requirements. So I see this from either side. It’s one of many issues I’m making an attempt to resolve and it’s extremely troublesome to resolve it. And that’s why I’m glad you requested this, as a result of I feel so many individuals have the identical concern, is that they’re annoyed with their agent. After which, I hear brokers discuss they usually’re like, “I don’t need to work with traders. All they do is waste my time. They’re tire kickers. They need to free schooling.”

David:
And I simply need to break this down for you a bit bit. Let’s begin off with how I’ve my crew do it. And this got here from years of expertise of making an attempt to know this from either side. If you come to us, we offer you a session. We clarify each factor that goes into shopping for a home, how the contract works, how contingencies work, a house inspection. We evaluate a house inspection with you. We speak about value determinations. We discuss concerning the mortgage. We speak about the best way we’re going to ship you properties to take a look at, all of that. Then you definately determine should you’re going to work with us or not. And we determine to commit to one another.

David:
As soon as we commit, we arrange a settlement the place we’re going to name you as the client each day, at a predetermined time. And we’re going to ask you should you noticed something you want, and we’re going to say, “Hey, we despatched you the stuff. What did you want about this?” Now, if either side maintain up their finish of the cut price, there’s fewer expectations not being met and there’s fewer frustration. You recognize in your finish, “I’m getting a name at 10:30. And that is the place I want to inform my agent, ‘Hey, these are the questions I’ve about these properties that he despatched me,’ or, ‘Right here’s those that I discovered. Right here’s my questions on them.’” We then get that info. We give it to a junior agent or a displaying assistant, no matter you need to name it. We’ve them go get that info for our purchaser’s agent, convey it again to them. After which, they offer it to you.

David:
What typically occurs is one or either side don’t sustain their finish of the settlement. So the client doesn’t make it on the ten:30 name, or they only need to ship textual content messages all through the day saying, “What about this?” Properly, the brokers in the course of negotiating different offers, taking a look at properties, ready for calls again from individuals, making an attempt that will help you with what you’re making an attempt to do, making an attempt to maintain their different offers from falling out of contract for no matter’s happening, speaking to mortgage officers, speaking to title and escrow, they’re going to overlook these textual content messages that you simply’re simply randomly sending, not you, however a purchaser could be sending.

David:
Then the client will get the impression, “Oh, nicely, the agent doesn’t actually solely care about what I would like. They don’t reply to me. They don’t reply their cellphone.” They anticipate that particular person to be like, the minute they name, bam, they’re simply going to have the ability to be there. However we will’t do this for you and everybody else too, as a result of in addition they need that decision at the very same time.

David:
So at that time, the agent begins to say, “You recognize what? They don’t make the calls we’re on. They’re not responding on the homes I’m trying up for them. I’m not going to spend all my time calling itemizing brokers and looking for a deal we will put collectively in the event that they’re not even going to reply to me.” So then they cease trying up homes. After which you’re already upset that you simply’re not getting good service, as a result of they don’t reply their cellphone, should go lookup your personal homes. And now you ship them the home and the agent goes, “What do they need me to do with this? What questions are they asking me? We had been supposed to speak about this they usually didn’t need to.”

David:
As you may see, the connection falls aside. Now, the agent seems to be at it like, “The shopper’s not spending any cash. I’m spending all my cash on my license. I’m spending cash on my time. I’m spending cash on gasoline, as I drive them round to take a look at homes. They’re not spending any cash. I’m getting ripped off.” The shopper seems to be at it from the identical perspective, “My agent isn’t serving to me. They’re not responding to me. They need to not need my enterprise. They’re not giving me good service.”

David:
The issue is that either side suppose that it’s their job to be served. It’s truly a partnership. The agent makes no cash until you purchase and also you make no cash until you purchase. The aim must be, “How can we purchase a home?” And lots of occasions what doesn’t occur is the troublesome dialog isn’t had, the place the motivation is decided.

David:
Okay, so let me offer you an instance. We’re in a extremely popular market proper now. Man, I put a pair properties beneath contract and whereas they’ve been in escrow, they’ve gone up over six figures in worth, in a pair weeks time period. It’s very wild. There’s some huge cash to be made, nevertheless it strikes in a short time. Should you’re an individual who’s shopping for in a market like this, and also you’re saying issues like, “You recognize what? I’m not in a rush. I’m going to attend for the best deal to come back alongside.” What you’re telling your agent is, “I’m not motivated. Don’t prioritize me. You want to go work with the individuals that actually want a home proper now earlier than costs get any greater.” And also you’re in all probability getting put to the top of that agent’s listing.

David:
Now, if it’s a market the place it’s very onerous to seek out consumers, you’re in all probability going to get purple carpet remedy from most individuals, as a result of they really want you as a purchaser. However should you’re a purchaser proper now, there’s 1,000,000 of you, and also you is probably not the one who desires it essentially the most. Any person else would possibly need it extra. And that’s why your agent isn’t speaking with you. They’re not trying up homes, as a result of they’re not getting the sensation that you simply really need it. They’re trying up properties, however they’re sending them to the one that’s like, “I want a home. I want a property. I’ve obtained a 1031. I imagine in actual property. I’m critical about doing this. I’m going to do no matter it takes to get forward.” And people persons are leaping forward.

David:
Now, I notice the hazard in what I’m saying, as a result of when markets get scorching like this, generally individuals make dangerous choices. And so, it’s all the time simpler to inform you the listener, “Hey, don’t rush. Take your time. Don’t purchase something you don’t need to purchase.” And that’s true. However I may see alternatively, individuals stated that two years in the past, and properties in my space that had been promoting for 1.3 two years in the past are actually in 2.0 to 2.1. It’s a lot cash that’s been misplaced as a result of individuals took an excessive amount of time. And that’s simply the problem of this very quick altering market that we now have, that for my part is because of the federal authorities creating inflation by over supplying our cash provide, has made it very troublesome to purchase. And what you’re describing right here, Devon, is displaying up within the agent and investor relationship.

David:
So right here’s some recommendation I’ve to you should you’re working with an agent. Should you’re not motivated, should you’re not, “Hey, I’m getting this achieved.” You bought to inform them that, and you bought to be okay with the truth that you’re in all probability not going to be their precedence. And the agent who does make you the precedence, doesn’t know what they’re doing most definitely. I’d say that you need to ask your self, are you in or are you out. You’ll be able to’t be midway in between in a market like this, until you’re in a space that simply isn’t appreciating as a lot, perhaps someplace within the Midwest, the place it’s not as aggressive.

David:
In case you are an agent, it’s good to be very clear together with your shoppers about what you’ll and won’t do. My brokers are skilled to have troublesome conversations that no person desires to have. They are going to say, “Hey, I’ve introduced you 4 offers. The supply that you simply stated you wished to write down was not life like. I talked to a list agent they usually stated they’d higher presents with higher phrases. And you continue to submitted that dangerous supply. I don’t suppose I may help you.” After which, we let the shopper determine, do they need to change their technique, or do they need to simply say, “Hey, now’s not the time for me to purchase.”

David:
However these very direct conversations should not had, as a result of realtors need to be preferred. And traders are afraid in the event that they anger their realtor, that they received’t get good service from them. And so, they find yourself on this limbo. So so far as what we do, we’re very direct. We do lookup homes for our shoppers. I’ve an entire crew of those that actually, all day lengthy, junior brokers that aren’t getting paid, are within the MLS, taking a look at doable home hacks, taking a look at doable funding properties, making an attempt to determine, “Can we get this home for our shopper?” They’re giving it every part they’ve.

David:
And the common purchaser in all probability doesn’t perceive how discouraging it’s after they lastly discover the best deal and the itemizing agent says, “Yeah, we’ll take a proposal as we speak.” And we put it in entrance of the shopper they usually go, “Oh, I don’t know. I want to consider it. Oh, that’s a good suggestion. Let me noodle it over.” Or, “Oh, I feel I prefer it, however simply not fairly sufficient. I’m simply not going to purchase. I’m not prepared but.” Properly, they didn’t inform us that earlier than we spent on a regular basis trying. In order that’s the place the connection tends to crumble. You do need a agent that’s actively taking a look at properties for you, however you need to perceive in the event that they discover it and also you don’t transfer on it, you’re telling them, “Don’t prioritize me.”

David:
So I feel how this drawback will get solved is that either side acknowledge what the opposite’s searching for. And we’re extra sincere with one another upfront about what we may give. Thanks, Devon, for asking this query. I can sense your frustration. I’m sorry it’s like that. Should you’re in California, please attain out to us, and allow us to assist you to with this drawback. And should you’re not, perhaps you might get certainly one of my books written for brokers and provides it to your agent and say, “Hey, I’d like service like this.”

David:
All proper, everybody, we’ve had some superb questions up to now. Thanks for submitting them. We’re going to reply some extra questions in a bit bit. However earlier than we do, on this phase of the present, I wish to learn off among the feedback from the YouTube channel. So should you’re not watching this on YouTube, I’d advocate you to subscribe to BiggerPockets on YouTube and observe us there. It’s not simply the podcast, however there’s every kind of different content material associated to serving to individuals make cash via actual property, that you would be able to be testing should you observe us on YouTube. I additionally wish to learn the feedback on the exhibits and see what you guys are saying. I need to hear what you preferred, what you didn’t like, what you need to hear extra of, and what you thought was pointless. And we learn all these feedback, and a few of them aren’t very critical, however if you’re leaving critical feedback, I need to thanks.

David:
On this phase of the present. I’m going to learn a few of these feedback, let you understand what you guys are pondering. And I need to extremely encourage you to go away me a touch upon this episode, and let me know what you preferred or what you’d wish to see extra of.

David:
First remark from Daphne Hill, “Love these exhibits, David. You’re a pure instructor and by no means make friends really feel like their questions are dumb or have been answered tons of of occasions earlier than. Thanks.” Properly, thanks for that, Daphne. I don’t suppose these questions are dumb, and who cares that they’ve been answered tons of of occasions earlier than? Most questions in actual property should not new. In truth, nearly all of them have been requested earlier than, however you’re right here on BiggerPockets to get them answered for your self. So maintain them coming.

David:
From @Firsty, I don’t know if that is like, “I’m first,” or, “I’m thirsty,” stated like a baby. “Hey David, thanks for all the worth that you simply present on a weekly foundation. I’ve realized extra from you alone than all different actual property investing assets mixed.” Properly, thanks. “My query is, after I simply began out together with your first property, how do you declare rental earnings from a private residence in your taxes? Will a lender use earnings generated out of your private residence to decrease debt to earnings ratio when making an attempt to finance your subsequent home hack? I’ve had no luck with my native lenders as they don’t take into account my very own residence as an asset that may present rental earnings. Additionally, are you able to declare rents out of your private residence in your private identify versus needing to create an entity to call the home hack as a enterprise? I’d love to listen to your suggestions from this. A lot love from North Carolina.”

David:
All proper, so Firsty right here is definitely asking a query within the remark part. And Firsty, you’re going to be rewarded for that. So it feels like what you’re making an attempt to say is you’re prepared to assert the rental earnings that you simply’re making, nevertheless it’s coming out of your main residence. That means, you’re in all probability home hacking and renting out the rooms.

David:
So right here is the very best reply I may give you. I’m unsure in the event that they’re going to incorporate it or not. Some mortgage packages and a few underwriters will take earnings that you’re claiming in your taxes and use it, interval. Others will say, “Oh, it’s your personal main, you may’t declare it.” In lots of circumstances, I’ve seen that they may allow you to declare that earnings that’s coming out of your main residence. The issue is most individuals don’t declare it on their taxes. So what we usually see is somebody, their debt to earnings doesn’t qualify. They usually go, “Oh, nicely, I’m truly making $2,000 a month from renting out bedrooms in my home.” And we are saying, “Properly, it’s not in your taxes.” “Properly, I’m making it, so can I simply declare it now?” And that’s the issue.

David:
So should you’re making a living renting out your own home, try to be claiming that in your taxes as earnings. And in lots of circumstances, the lender will use that, as a result of it exhibits up in your taxes. That’s the important thing that I would like make right here. It’s not a assure that it’s all the time going to work, however basically, should you’re not claiming in your taxes, you may’t use it. In case you are claiming in your taxes, you need to use it. And that is primarily for standard loans, as a result of standard loans are often purchased by authorities sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Which means the federal government will get to create the rules that they’re going to purchase loans from. After which these pointers are handed to underwriters, that are handed to your mortgage officer, that are finally handed to you. So ethical of the story, cease making an attempt to economize on taxes by dishonest the system should you’re making an attempt to purchase extra actual property.

David:
In case you are being instructed by a lender that they’ll’t use it, my recommendation is you discover a mortgage dealer. That’s what we do. So we’re not only a financial institution that lends out our personal cash. We go discover totally different banks, discover the one which has this system that may work for what you’re making an attempt to do. After which, we set you up with that financial institution. After which, they pay us for the service that we supplied, by bringing you to them, as an alternative of getting you do it. So lots of the time persons are simply doing their very own work. They’re calling financial institution after financial institution, after financial institution, they usually’re saying, “Hey, are you able to do that?” After which they’re asking you questions, like this to me, “Hey, can we do that?” You simply obtained to seek out the best mortgage dealer, that may inform you, “Properly, no, you may’t with them, however sure you may with these ones, and we’ll set you up over there.” So search for a mortgage dealer while you get instructed no. And if you wish to attain out to me, I’m glad to get you linked.

David:
All proper, subsequent query comes from Mr. Ribeye. That is humorous. “Dang, David Greene, grinding like Stephen A. Smith. Give the person a break, BiggerPockets.” Apparently, Mr. Ribeye thinks I’m working too onerous, and I actually recognize that, nevertheless it’s not onerous work while you’re having enjoyable, man. It is a blast. I like doing the present. I like internet hosting the podcast. I’m lastly getting to speak on the mic, now that Brandon is gone. Don’t inform him that, however you guys all knew. I obtained perhaps 3% of mic time when Brandon was right here. So I’m loving it. Maintain your questions coming, biggerpockets.com/david. Additionally, very humorous display screen identify, Mr. Ribeye.

David:
All proper, our final query is coming from the feedback on YouTube, from VernardKMR. “As you retain shopping for properties that may recognize, good long run funding areas.” Proper off the bat, Vernard, you’re a person after my very own coronary heart. “ handle paying the property taxes for all of the properties you’re shopping for, which retains rising as you retain shopping for an increasing number of property, and there’s no cashflow to save lots of in the direction of cost of property taxes? Any methods to scale back property taxes or such?”

David:
It feels like what you’re saying right here is you’re shopping for properties that don’t cashflow, since you’re not together with the property administration as an expense in your bills. So should you’re shopping for one thing and it’s paying for the principal curiosity tax and insurance coverage, PITI is what we name it, that’s not truly cashflowing. You even have property administration, you could have property taxes, you could have householders insurance coverage, you could have another bills like upkeep and emptiness, that you need to account for. I don’t have this drawback of not having the ability to pay property taxes as a result of I embody the property tax as an expense within the dwelling. It sounds such as you may not have been doing that. And so, you’ve been shopping for properties that don’t cashflow, however the property tax isn’t impounded, that means it’s not collected each month in your cost. So you need to pay it each six months and then you definately don’t have any cash put aside to do it, so that you’re popping out of pocket.

David:
I don’t know any method to scale back your property taxes. That’s often not going to occur. In truth, they usually solely go up. So in some areas like mine, they solely go up no less than proper now, we’ll see what California does with this, however they solely go up when the property adjustments arms. So if I’m going purchase a brand new property and another person purchased it at 300,000, they’re paying taxes on the $300,000 value. Properly, if I’m going purchase it for 1,000,000, I’m now paying taxes on 1,000,000 greenback value.

David:
Taxes go up, nevertheless it’s very troublesome to get them to go down. I’ve seen this occur throughout a recession. So in Contra Costa County in California, the tax assessor, I imagine his identify was Gus Kramer, got here beneath lots of hearth as a result of when the county wanted cash essentially the most, he was going and reassessing individuals’s properties at decrease values to decrease their taxes throughout these onerous occasions. Now, that’s very fashionable with the householders, nevertheless it was very unpopular with the opposite politicians that had been saying, “We want this tax cash as a result of we now have all these foreclosures. And the homes which can be promoting, are promoting for much less. So we will’t pay our finances.” On this space, housing had exploded in value. And so, the federal government spent all the cash.

David:
After which, when the house values dropped and other people stopped paying taxes as a result of they had been foreclosing, now all the totally different authorities organizations weren’t capable of pay their workers they usually needed to begin laying individuals off. It obtained actually onerous.

David:
So in these environments, generally the taxes will go down, however that’s not a technique that you simply need to rely on. You actually need to be certain while you purchase it, that you’re accounting for the property taxes that you simply’re going to should pay and operating these into your numbers to verify they cashflow.

David:
All proper, are these questions and replies resonating with you? Do you want listening to about how I’m grinding like Stephen A. Smith or that there’s no method to actually decrease property taxes that I’m conscious of? Does studying about who to go to when you could have a sure drawback assist you to? Properly, in that case, let me know that within the feedback on YouTube. And in case you have a query and also you’re too shy to go to biggerpockets.com/david, ask it on YouTube, and we would have the ability to characteristic you in one of many Seeing Greene podcasts.

Brandon:
Hey, David. Thanks for taking the query. Large fan of BP and the pod. So my query is round inflation and rates of interest. So that you’ve been speaking rather a lot on the present about how inflation’s going to proceed to drive dwelling costs up within the subsequent 12 to 18 months, and I positively perceive the logic behind it, however I’m curious with the fed indicating that they’re going to proceed to lift charges, the way you suppose that’s going to offset the inflation?

Brandon:
Principally, my two companions and I are attempting to determine if we need to refinance a property and attempt to pull the money out. And it’s in a secondary market, it’s in Manchester, New Hampshire. So it’s probably not a main market. If we must always refinance and pull the money out and proceed holding it, or if we must always promote it and we’ll in all probability get near 100% ROI on the cash that we’ve invested in it already. And perhaps convey that down nearer to Boston, the place I stay, and clearly it’s a a lot larger appreciation market. So I’m curious, the way you suppose inflation and rates of interest can be affected over the following 12 to 18 months. Thanks.

David:
All proper, Brandon, that is additionally a very good query. Earlier than I reply it, I simply need to speak about this complete inflation factor. To be completely sincere, I don’t know what’s going to occur. I don’t have the crystal ball, no person does. To be much more clear, no person in my seat likes to reply these questions, as a result of if we’re proper, everybody goes, “Okay,” and that’s tremendous. “He was proper. He’s purported to be, he sits within the chair of the podcast.” If we’re improper, they arrive after you with pitchforks they usually need to chase you out of the swamp like Shrek. And so, nobody solutions these questions. They have an inclination to keep away from ever giving a direct reply. And after I was in your sneakers, I hated listening to somebody say, “I don’t have a crystal ball.” After which, it was adopted by a bunch of huge fancy actual property phrases, the place they gave a non-committal reply.

David:
Like when a politician’s requested one thing they don’t need to reply, they usually simply say a bunch of phrases, phrase salad, that doesn’t truly quantity to something. So I’m not going to try this right here, however I do need you guys to know that I don’t know for positive. What I can inform you is I’m not simply telling you what I feel’s going to occur, I’m additionally doing it.

David:
So what I’m doing is, I’ll inform you Brandon as a result of lots of your questions needed to do with the same monetary state of affairs that I’m in proper now. So relating to the query of are rates of interest going to trigger costs to come back down, even due to inflation, I don’t suppose so. I don’t suppose rates of interest are going to have a lot of an impact on it in any respect. And the reason being, there’s not sufficient provide.

David:
When you need to purchase gasoline on your automobile, do you cease shopping for gasoline as a result of it turns into dearer? As a result of that’s what occurs, when rates of interest rise, mortgages grow to be costly. So the concept could be, if charges go up, housing costs grow to be dearer. So individuals should promote their home for much less. Costs have to come back down as a result of charges went up. However is that what occurs while you purchase gasoline on your truck? I’m assuming you could have a truck, I don’t actually know that, however you seem like a truck man. In all probability not. Perhaps you drive to much less locations, however the locations you need to drive, you’re nonetheless going to go and also you’re simply going to pay no matter gasoline prices. It’s important to do it.

David:
With regards to housing, you may need a couple of individuals which may purchase much less homes than they usually would. However there are such a lot of those that want to purchase a home, they’re going to pay no matter it prices to purchase that home. And the issue is provide. There may be not sufficient properties to purchase. If we had a fair quantity of provide and demand, when value costs went up, making properties extra inexpensive, you’ll see what you’re speaking about occur. The issue is we’re all taking a look at it from this equilibrium level, the place if one little factor adjustments, the remaining will alter, however that’s not the place we’re.

David:
It’s just like the kindergarten instructor sitting on the seesaw and the little tiny kindergartners on the opposite facet. And nothing’s going to occur as a result of they’re heavy sufficient to get that factor to stability out.

David:
Our provide points are so huge that the individuals which can be within the place of being the client, the demand has no likelihood of having the ability to catch up. And that’s the issue we now have. So, no, I don’t suppose that rising rates of interest are going to make hardly a dent in any respect within the value of actual property.

David:
Now, the second a part of your query will get extra attention-grabbing. And that is the place you’re asking, “Properly, what’s the very best play?” Not simply, “Ought to I play?” As a result of I feel by now, most of you may inform, I’m all for enjoying. In truth, I’ve been on file as saying, I feel this is likely to be the very best market we’ve ever seen to purchase actual property in, despite the fact that we predict we’re on the prime of it.

David:
Now, that’s very attention-grabbing. So right here’s what I’m doing, I’ve some properties that I purchased in California 10 years in the past or so. And I’ve achieved very nicely with these. Simply probably not me. Simply inflation made me do very nicely with these. Just like this property you could have together with your accomplice, and also you’re making an attempt to determine, “Ought to I promote it or ought to I refi it?”

David:
My thought is, you promote it if it’s a home you don’t need or in an space you don’t need to be, that easy. The reply’s all the time, in case you have fairness, you promote as an alternative of refi. Now, generally the query is, “Do I promote, or refi, or do I simply maintain?” That’s a unique query. However should you’ve determined you’re going to make a transfer, you retain it if it’s an space you want, and if it’s a home you want. You dump it if it’s not. After which, you set the cash into a spot that’s an space you want and a home you want. And it’s actually that easy.

David:
One of many issues that makes these homes in California properties I need to maintain is due to the continued depreciation. They maintain going up in worth and I don’t suppose it’s going to cease. So I selected to refi them. Now, I refied out of a 3.6 or 3.7 rate of interest, right into a 5.5 rate of interest. So my price jumped practically two factors with a view to do a money out refi. And to many individuals, they’d say, “Why would you do this? It’s going to harm your cashflow.” And I perceive that, nevertheless it’s as a result of the cash that I take out of them goes to earn me a lot extra cashflow, than what I took on by rising the mortgage, it’s not even shut. And I’m going to make extra appreciation.

David:
Now, that is just like you, since you’re eager about promoting the home that you’ve got or refinancing it. However what I cherished is that you simply stated, put the cash again into Boston, the place we’re going to have a better appreciating market. And that’s what I’m doing. I’m taking that cash I pulled out and I’m going into markets that I feel are more likely to proceed to understand in each the lease quantity that we will get and the worth of the asset that’s going to understand, and I’m going to maintain the stuff I’ve appreciating in California. I’m going to purchase new stuff that appreciates elsewhere. And I’m going to simply amplify what I’m doing.

David:
Now, go to the opposite facet of the nation. I’ve obtained another properties within the south which have achieved nicely, which can be cashflowing very robust, however they’re not going up in worth, just like the California homes did. I’m promoting these ones and 1031-ing into property that’s going to understand extra.

David:
So I’ve obtained the identical drawback. Do I refi or do I promote? Properly, these are those I’m refi-ing and these are those I’m promoting, and that is why. And the explanation I’m making strikes like this proper now could be as a result of I do suppose inflation’s going to maintain going and going and going. I don’t suppose it’s good. I don’t prefer it. I’m truly form of mad about it, nevertheless it doesn’t do me any good to be mad about it. It simply is smart to see what’s happening and make the very best resolution you may.

David:
Robert Kiyosaki gave some recommendation at a speech I used to be at one time, and I’ve by no means forgot it. And he was speaking about politics. All people has a facet they take within the political arguments. And he was saying, it’s like heads and tails on a coin. Who’s proper? Who is aware of? However there’s a 3rd facet to a coin, and that’s the sting. So should you stand a coin on its facet, you’ve obtained heads on one facet, tails on one facet, after which a tiny little ridge. One of the best place to be relating to cash is to face on that ridge, to see the top facet, to see the tail facet. You’ll be able to see either side and then you definately make your strikes based mostly on the way you see the sport taking part in out. And also you attempt to keep as goal as doable, and never get caught up into the emotional facet of it, or the righteous facet of it, or the way you suppose the nation ought to be run. You’ll be able to’t actually management that. So that you give attention to what you may management and also you play the playing cards the see them being dealt.

David:
Thanks for asking that query. That was superb.

David:
All proper, subsequent query comes from Ameet Agarwah from Sacramento, California. That could be very near me. I’ve obtained a crew in Sacramento and I’m there on a regular basis. So hopefully, we will meet in some unspecified time in the future. We may help you together with your actual property investing.

David:
“Thanks for all of the content material that you simply and BP present. I want to know your views on shopping for new building property versus an older 30 to 40 yr outdated building. Isn’t paying a couple of extra {dollars} for a brand new or comparatively new building property higher than shopping for a Eighties, Nineteen Seventies form of building? Model new building comes with one yr bumper to bumper guarantee. It additionally reduces the prospect of typical different upkeep points like plumbing, roof, home equipment in an older home. What’s your viewpoint?”

David:
Not a nasty query. Okay, so let’s get into this. The place do I need to begin? The primary could be new building does come usually with a one yr guarantee, however through the first yr is while you’re by no means going to wish it. What breaks within the first yr? So I don’t actually put an entire lot of worth onto that, I’ll simply say that as a caveat.

David:
So far as a direct query of, is newer higher or is older okay? Let’s have a look at the way it impacts the worth of property, in addition to the way it impacts the time you’re going to place into that property. Should you’re shopping for multifamily property, I see the yr, they name it the classic, similar factor that they use with wine, is rather more necessary. And that’s as a result of should you’re shopping for a multifamily property with 80 totally different items, you could have 80 totally different HVACs or 80 totally different plumbing areas, 80 totally different electrical elements. There’s lots of issues that may go improper. And the longer that it goes, the extra of a headache and cash you’re going to spend fixing all these particular person elements. You additionally see with multifamily investing that folks need to spend as little as doable, as a result of they purchased it for the money. They purchased it to run it as a enterprise.

David:
Now transferring into residential. Most residential properties should not owned by traders. They’re owned by those that stay there. In order that they’re not going to be as low cost when one thing breaks. They need conditioning, they’re going to get a brand new air conditioner. They don’t need their home to leak after they need to take a bathe, they’re going to get the plumbing mounted. So that you are likely to see much less deferred upkeep, no less than in my expertise, within the residential area than what you do within the industrial area, the place you could have simply extra kind of slum lords which can be making an attempt to keep away from having to ever dump cash into their property.

David:
One other factor I’ll say, is that in some areas, newer properties are valued greater than older properties. So in an space like California, the place we now have restricted provide, it’s constructed out, we wish to say. There’s not lots of locations in Northern California, and even within the nicer components of Southern California, the place you may construct new properties. They’re simply already inbuilt the very best areas. And the placement is extra necessary than the rest.

David:
So should you’re making an attempt to purchase in Huntington Seaside, in Hollywood, in Malibu, or should you’re in Northern California, making an attempt to purchase in San Francisco, you’re making an attempt to purchase in San Jose, there’s not an entire lot of areas to construct. So that you’re extra excited by getting within the location you need with the shorter commute, or the extra helpful actual property, and should you obtained to purchase a very outdated home, you don’t actually care as a lot since you don’t have every other choices. It’s both an outdated home or no home.

David:
Now, let’s take this to central Florida. Development’s popping up in all places on the market proper now. There’s tons of stuff being constructed as a result of they’ve tons of land. You will have choices there. You are able to do resale, the place you’re shopping for one thing that’s already been constructed perhaps 50 years in the past. So it’s an older dwelling. Or you should buy new building proper throughout the road in a neighborhood that’s being developed.

David:
In these areas, I’d go for the brand new building, assuming that they don’t have ridiculous HOAs, or particular assessments, or one thing that makes it much less fascinating. Yeah, in fact, I’m going to need to go for the newer dwelling, however there’s only a few components of the nation the place traders are going to the place that’s even an possibility. Should you’re making an attempt to purchase in Austin, Texas, and Seattle, and any of those actually excessive explosive progress markets, they’ve already constructed out all this space. So new dwelling building isn’t actually an possibility, until you go actually far-off. And now that you simply’ve gone actually far-off, you don’t have the very best location and also you’re violating the primary rule of actual property.

David:
Hope I introduced a bit little bit of readability to that query. You’re pondering like an engineer. I wouldn’t be stunned should you had been, as a result of that’s precisely how an engineer would have a look at actual property. However you need to keep in mind that actual property is valued by what number of different individuals need it, how a lot demand there’s for it. And most of the people shopping for actual property should not engineers or they’re not traders, they’re common individuals simply eager to personal a house. And you bought to suppose like them, if you wish to win within the residential recreation.

David:
All proper, from Mike S. in Fresno, “I personal a small single household residential dwelling. Has been utilized by my household, transformed to a rental. I’m a primary time landlord. I want to rent a property supervisor to be answerable for all particulars, to get essential upgrades and lease this place out. Would like to have your ideas on methods to discover and rent a dependable supervisor.”

David:
All proper, Mike, very first thing to pay attention to, should you’re hiring a property supervisor to handle a building element of this, you’re already placing your self able the place you’re extra more likely to fail. That’s often not what they do. They might have a contact within the building business, however they in all probability don’t handle them fairly often, they usually’re not consultants in doing that. You’d be higher off, for my part, to have a property supervisor and contractor, and also you handle the 2 of them. Don’t attempt to line them up, the place it’s you, property supervisor, then contractor. When you’ve got a really distinctive state of affairs with a property administration firm that additionally has a building element or one thing, perhaps that may be totally different. However basically, that’s going to be very tough.

David:
The subsequent factor I’d say when selecting your property supervisor, basically, you could have two varieties. You will have the property supervisor that has a system that they purchased, perhaps a franchise, they usually’re doing it to generate earnings for themselves. So their complete objective of getting this enterprise is to get as many consumers such as you as they’ll. After which they have a tendency to nickel and dime you to get as a lot cash out of you as they’ll, as a result of that’s the one motive they exist. You’ve obtained one other kind, and people are the kinds that had been traders themselves, constructed a system for themselves. And now, they provide that to individuals such as you, however they’re not studying how to do that in your dime. They already know.

David:
It’s similar to me as an agent. After I obtained my license, and my first day, I wasn’t on par with everyone else that had already obtained their license too. I wasn’t on par with everyone else who simply obtained their license that day. They needed to study gross sales, the contract, authorized stuff, and the way actual property labored. I already knew how actual property labored. See, I had constructed a system for myself, the place I purchased homes and I knew what to search for, and I had a technique, and I might discover the best offers, and I knew methods to negotiate. And so, I used to be the property supervisor that had constructed a system for myself.

David:
After which, I simply opened it as much as different individuals. Like, “Hey, family and friends, would you like me to do what I did for myself to now assist you to?” After which, I skilled different brokers in how I did it for myself. It’s one of many causes my crew did higher than different individuals who aren’t doing that. They’re simply promoting properties to make cash. That’s all they’re doing. They usually’re going to inform you no matter they obtained to you to get you in a contract. And that’s the everyday actual property agent.

David:
So I say all this to say, while you attempt to discover your property supervisor, ask them in the event that they personal rental property, ask them in the event that they personal rental property within the space that you simply’re shopping for, ask them about their rental properties, ask them which areas of city it is best to keep away from. You’re searching for the one which owns property themselves. These are nearly all the time the higher individuals to make use of, whether or not you’re searching for an agent, a property supervisor, a contractor, anyone in our area, even your CPA. In the event that they personal actual property, they’re much extra more likely to have a good suggestion how that will help you as an investor than in the event that they don’t.

David:
All proper, we now have time for another query. This comes from Lexi B. in Detroit.

Lexi B.:
Hello, David and BiggerPockets crew. My query for you as we speak is, should you had been approached by a zero expertise investor, seeking to get into the sport for multi-family actual property, purchase and maintain lease out, what paperwork or info would you anticipate for them to convey to the desk? And what paperwork or info would actually set them aside from different newbies seeking to work with veteran traders?

Lexi B.:
One other query I’ve for you is, what’s one piece of distinctive recommendation that you’d give to any person new that you simply want you’ll’ve recognized while you very first began?

David:
Lexi, I just like the questions right here. All proper, let’s reply the primary query you had. You stated, what paperwork or recommendation would I’ve for any person who was reaching out to an skilled investor as a brand new one. It’s not paperwork. It’s not a resume. I wouldn’t care about any of that. What I’d be asking if somebody got here to me and stated, “Hey,” I’m what you’re saying is, “I need to make investments your cash, or I need to accomplice with you on a deal, however I’m new.” I don’t need them to learn the way actual property works on my dime. I’d be searching for them to say, “I labored for a property administration firm for X quantity of years, and I did this and this and this. And I’m superb at this stuff. I labored for a contractor for this time period and I managed their tasks and I oversaw their enterprise, and I ran bids for them.” Or, “I solved these issues. I labored for,” fill within the clean.

David:
I must see some form of expertise already in the true property business that immediately pertains to why I ought to belief them. And lots of people don’t like that. They’re already working a job. They don’t need to have two jobs. They don’t need to intern anyplace. In order that they go to the property supervisor firm they usually say, “Hey, I need a job.” They usually say, “We’re not hiring.” And what do you do? Properly, you’re higher off to say, “Can I intern for you? Can I work totally free? And let me show myself.” Should you’re good, they’re going to finish up paying you. And should you’re not that good, you’re going to know that’s not your factor. You want to go discover one thing else.

David:
However I’m a giant [inaudible 00:49:54]. We’ve those that come to work on my mortgage crew they usually know nothing about loans, and we give a possibility to start out as an intern. In order that they’re not going to receives a commission, however they get to study, they usually don’t should pay to take a program to discover ways to study. And if they’re good, we find yourself hiring them as a processor. And in the event that they’re good as a processor, we find yourself hiring them as a mortgage officer. I feel that’s the very best street to take. It’s very troublesome to persuade anybody who’s good at doing one thing to show you the ropes or to mentor you or that will help you, should you haven’t been prepared to kind of pay the worth to study these steps by yourself, which the simplest method goes to be via an internship.

David:
So far as the recommendation that you simply’re asking me, that you simply want any person would’ve instructed me, the very first thing I want any person would’ve instructed me was that I don’t should be as scared as I used to be. I used to be consistently worrying about what would go improper. “What if I don’t have tenants? What if this occurs? What if the costs dropped?” Identical to lots of people suppose now. And I spotted that even when the costs did drop, they bounce proper again. Should you simply maintain actual property for lengthy sufficient, you’ll make cash.

David:
And so, that may be one other factor I want they’d’ve stated, is, “David, stop taking a look at it as the primary yr you purchase it. You’re shopping for it for 50 years. You’re shopping for it for 30 years. So have a look at it in a 30 yr perspective. Is that this a property you need to personal 30 years from now? What’s it going to be value 30 years from now? What’s it going to cashflow 30 years from now? Then make your resolution on if you wish to purchase that property.”

David:
Too many individuals and too many occasions, me included, get caught in proper now. I can inform you about offers I purchased eight years in the past and I paid 110,000 in appraise and 130… And I used to be, “Sure, I crushed it.” I obtained it under the appraised worth. And now it’s value 270, 310. What’s the distinction? It doesn’t matter what it was value after I purchased it, as a result of it doesn’t keep at that worth ceaselessly. So I put method an excessive amount of emphasis on simply making an attempt to get the very best deal. And I ought to have simply been shopping for extra properties in higher areas after which managing my very own funds, so I might pay for them if one thing went improper. I’d positively advise taking that long term method and never getting caught up within the minuscule minutia of proper now.

David:
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