Home Prices May Have Bottomed Says New “Investor Sentiment Survey”

Dave:
Hey everybody. Welcome to On the Market. I’m your host, Dave Meyer. And in the present day, we’re bringing again certainly one of our hottest visitors of all time, Rick Sharga, who’s the founder and CEO, CJ Patrick Firm. He was previously the EVP of market intelligence at ATTOM.
When you’ve been listening to this present otherwise you’re listening to the Greater Information part on the BiggerPockets Actual Property Present, you’ve in all probability heard Rick just a few instances as a result of he’s a unbelievable analyst and is aware of the housing market pretty much as good as actually anybody that I’ve ever met.
And as a part of his new firm, he and RCN Capital, you could bear in mind the title of that firm as a result of we had their CEO, Tim Herriage on the opposite day, they produced a brand new survey that tracks the sentiment of actual property traders. And these are sometimes smaller actual property traders, retail traders such as you and me. And I believe it’s one of many first of its sort.
After I have a look at information, after I have a look at surveys, it’s normally for house patrons or it’s normally for actual property brokers and there aren’t all that many information sources that focus particularly on the kind of traders that all of us are. And so when Rick and RCN Capital put this out and talked about how traders are feeling, what they’re doing in one of these market, we needed to get Rick again on to speak about it. So we’re going to leap straight into our interview with Rick proper after this break.
Rick Sharga, welcome again to On the Market. Thanks for being right here.

Rick:
At all times a pleasure to hitch you, Dave. Trying ahead to a different good dialog.

Dave:
I believe having you thrice makes you an everyday. You’re formally certainly one of our regulars now and I don’t suppose we’ve many, so thanks. We respect you all the time coming.

Rick:
I respect that chance to be certainly one of your regulars. It’s fairly an honor.

Dave:
I believe the final time we had you on the present was concerning the starting of the 12 months, and simply curious what you could have been as much as over the past six or seven months.

Rick:
Properly, on a private notice, I’ve really began my very own firm, CJ Patrick Firm. I’m not with the info firm I used to be with after we final spoke. And I’m offering market intelligence for firms in the true property and mortgage enterprise. Presently working with 5 totally different firms in several components of the enterprise.
And in order that’s been holding me fairly busy. It’s been a really hectic however finally fulfilling transition and I’m stepping into areas of the market that I actually hadn’t explored that deeply earlier than. In order that’s actually been good. And naturally, I’ve been holding my eye on the housing and industrial actual property markets, which by no means stop to fascinate and amaze.

Dave:
Superior. Properly, to begin with, congratulations on beginning your new firm. That’s an enormous milestone and achievement. And would love to simply leap proper in. You mentioned you could have been doing loads of analysis, wanting into totally different areas of the market. What areas have been of specific curiosity to you latterly?

Rick:
Properly, I’ve been wanting on the personal lending trade and what’s occurring with actual property traders, which I do know is germane to what BiggerPockets does. And it’s been an fascinating trip over the past 12 months or so, as these traders have needed to recalibrate to have the ability to accommodate a lot greater financing costs than they had been for the final couple of years.
And so, one of many developments that we’ve been watching fairly carefully is what number of traders have been shifting their technique from repair and flip to purchase and maintain making an attempt to make the most of the rental market. And that’s notably necessary as a result of by totally different firms’ estimates, as many as 20 to 25% of the individuals who wished to purchase a home have voted themselves off the island in the meanwhile. They will’t afford to purchase that home due to greater mortgage charges and are actually on the lookout for a spot to lease.
It simply stands to motive that should you had been seeking to purchase a home, you’d in all probability somewhat lease a home than an house if all else is equal. In order that’s been one of many largest developments we’ve been maintaining a tally of over the past 12 months or so.

Dave:
I’m shocked to listen to that as a result of with excessive financing prices, it does really feel no less than that cashflow is tougher to search out. We’ve got visitors on the present on a regular basis who’re flipping or doing value-add tasks they usually appear to be doing fairly nicely proper now. However then however, I noticed this report from Redfin the opposite day that mentioned that there’s these enormous quantities of flippers who’re dropping cash. So I’m simply curious should you may shed some perception on that juxtaposition.

Rick:
Yeah, the individuals which might be dropping cash aren’t anxious to go in your present and brag about it.

Dave:
Okay, these are those who hold declining us.

Rick:
Yeah. However, nicely, yeah, there’s some trade information that helps what you’re listening to in each instructions actually. On the repair and flip aspect, the corporate I used to work for, ATTOM Knowledge, put out their Q1 outcomes, so flipping by means of March, and there have been about 70,000 flips throughout the nation in March. That’s the bottom quantity we’ve seen in over two years, and it’s the fourth consecutive quarter the place there have been fewer flips than the quarter earlier than. In order that’s a reasonably important … And we’re speaking about flipping exercise that’s in all probability down by 40, 45,000 flips 1 / 4 throughout that time frame.
The opposite factor that ATTOM’s been reporting on is that the gross margins for flipping have been coming down over these earlier quarters. Now after I discuss gross margins, it’s what you paid for the property versus what you bought the property for. That doesn’t embrace your prices. So what had been your restore prices? What had been your labor prices, your insurance coverage, your tax, your different holding prices? And most significantly, what had been your financing prices for that time frame?
And I’ve talked to plenty of seasoned, very subtle flippers over the previous few months. Even a few of the most subtle, most skilled flippers have misplaced cash on particular person offers as a result of they only purchased on the fallacious time on the fallacious worth. And the possible patrons of these flips now have a lower cost threshold than what that they had a 12 months in the past as a result of their mortgage charges have doubled. So I believe there’s a little bit of a transitional interval.
That mentioned, this quarter was the primary one in a number of quarters the place we noticed gross margins begin to go up. That may very well be a sign together with house costs beginning to go up a bit bit as nicely that we would have bottomed out on the flipping market.
You increase a very good level on the one household rental market in that should you simply do the mathematics in the present day and also you’re financing the acquisition, it’s more durable to make that cashflow work except you’re actually, actually rigorous concerning the purchase and ensuring you’re paying the proper amount of cash for that. Alternatively, should you’re including to an current portfolio of rental properties which might be already worthwhile, the chances are mortgage charges, rates of interest are going to go down over the subsequent 18 to 24 months.
So should you may even break even on a brand new property proper now, odds are you’ll be capable to increase the lease over the subsequent couple of years and doubtless refinance right into a decrease month-to-month fee. So it perhaps is extra of a future alternative for a few of these rental property homeowners than it’s an instantaneous market profitability initiative.

Dave:
That’s a extremely good level that for newbies, if it’s your first rental, that’s in all probability not a fascinating technique to return out of pocket and use a few of your earnings out of your job to cowl your funding. However should you’re incomes a 6 or 7 or 8% money on money return, perhaps higher, throughout your portfolio, perhaps you knock that down a proportion to banks a few offers. That’s an excellent piece of recommendation there.

Rick:
And in some instances, you’re in a position to get a property under market that already has a tenant in place as a result of there are different traders who’re struggling a bit bit, candidly. And I think we’re going to see a reasonably important variety of failed Airbnb properties coming again to market from individuals who thought they had been going to be actual property tycoons, however timed the market incorrectly after they tapped into their fairness to purchase that one short-term rental property that everyone else was shopping for.

Dave:
Properly, I do need to get to that as a result of that’s been a really frequent subject of dialog lately.

Rick:
I guess.

Dave:
However one of many most important causes we wished to convey you in, apart out of your glorious firm in fact, is that your new firm created an investor sentiment survey, I believe with a companion, RCN Capital. And I really like this as a result of it’s one factor to have a look at information, which you and I clearly do, that appears at holistically what’s occurring with lease, what’s occurring with house costs, however it’s not all the time simple to get information from the people who find themselves on the bottom really shopping for and promoting offers. So are you able to give us a excessive degree abstract of what you discovered?

Rick:
Yeah, and I don’t suppose any of it’ll be an enormous shock to the parents tuning in in the present day. Investor sentiment proper now’s that it’s a harder market to put money into in the present day than it was a 12 months in the past. That’s in all probability not an enormous shock. Buyers being optimists by nature, the vast majority of them suppose issues might be getting higher or no less than no worse than they’re in the present day, over the subsequent six months.
And that ties in fairly on to what we’ve actually seen because the impacts of upper financing prices pushed by the actions of the Federal Reserve. And it’s additionally indicated by what they see as the largest challenges to being a profitable investor in the present day. The primary most incessantly cited problem was the upper price of financing in the present day. The second was the shortage of stock.
So once more, the stock subject is one thing we’ve in all probability talked about each time I’ve been in your podcast and it’s really gotten worse somewhat than higher and can in all probability proceed to worsen, as a result of 90% of mortgage holders in the present day have a mortgage with an rate of interest of 6% or decrease, and 70% have a mortgage fee of 4% or decrease.
And these people simply should not going to be motivated to place their properties in the marketplace till rates of interest come down fairly considerably. And that’s holding the variety of current houses accessible on the market at traditionally low ranges, which makes it powerful not only for customers, but in addition for traders seeking to purchase and both flip or lease out these properties.

Dave:
Nice. I do need to get again to that query of stock as a result of I’ve a particular query for you, however earlier than we do, while you speak concerning the survey and investor sentiment, individuals suppose it’s typically a worse setting than it was a 12 months in the past. What’s the size there? Does that imply we’re going from, for each 100 traders that had been optimistic final 12 months, we’re going to 50 or how dramatic is the shift?

Rick:
It was a blended bag. When you checked out worse or the identical because it was a 12 months in the past, you had been in all probability near 70% between these two classes and the stability mentioned it was perhaps marginally higher or higher. So it was extra of a break up with a bit little bit of an edge on the more severe than it was a 12 months in the past.
We did see, should you’re searching into the long run, and that is fascinating given what we had been simply speaking about, flippers are rather more optimistic going ahead than the rental property homeowners. That may very well be the cashflow subject you talked about. I consider 38% of flippers count on the market to be higher in six months and 19% count on it to be worse. Alternatively, solely about 19% of rental property traders count on the market to be higher, and about 31% count on it to be worse.
So the problem right here is that that is the primary of those surveys that RCN Capital and my firm have accomplished collectively, so I don’t have loads of historic information to match this to. We’ll have extra of that as we go ahead in subsequent quarters.
However yeah, I imply a few of the divergences between the kind of investor and the scale of investor had been fascinating. I discussed that the 2 largest challenges cited each now and 6 months from now are excessive price of financing and restricted stock. However should you have a look at larger traders, traders who purchase greater than 11 properties a 12 months, they’re actually involved going ahead concerning the problem they’ve in securing a loan-

Dave:
Attention-grabbing.

Rick:
… which wasn’t the case along with your mother and pop traders. I don’t know why that’s. It may very well be an indication that the regional banks, the group banks that these larger traders work with have tightened up credit score. However it’s fascinating to simply peel the onion a bit bit and see what’s contained in the totally different layers of the investor group.

Dave:
I’m your survey, I simply need to clarify to everybody that problem securing a mortgage is a special class than the excessive price of financing.

Rick:
It completely is.

Dave:
And I believe that’s an important distinction right here that not solely are traders combating the upper price of financing, however even when the investor is keen to tackle a 7 or 8% mortgage banks may not be keen to offer that mortgage.

Rick:
Yeah, and I believe banks is the important thing phrase there. It’s fascinating too, RCN Capital is clearly a personal lender, however I’ve talked to CEOs from different personal lending firms and anecdotally, should you’re an investor with a very good monitor report, in all probability not that troublesome so that you can get a mortgage.
However should you haven’t accomplished this earlier than, except you could have all the things lined up completely, it in all probability is a troublesome time to get a mortgage simply due to the chance issue concerned. And that greater price of financing really makes the chance that rather more of a problem from a lending perspective.

Dave:
That is smart. Do you suppose the opposite divergence between flippers and rental properties is a proxy for house worth outlook? As a result of I might think about that some rental property traders are wishing costs would come down as a result of it will reset that lease to cost ratio that anybody on the lookout for cashflow is hoping for, whereas flippers clearly profit from a market that’s appreciating.

Rick:
That would undoubtedly be the case, though just about throughout the board there wasn’t an enormous statistical distinction right here. Many of the traders count on nominal worth features over the subsequent six months. Very, only a few count on to see a worth decline. And that was true whether or not they had been flippers or they had been rental property homeowners. And by the way in which, from all outward appearances, it seems like they could be proper.
In accordance with Nationwide Affiliation of REALTORS, we’ve had 4 consecutive months of median costs falling for current house gross sales and positively new house gross sales costs are off 12 months over 12 months. However June, June seems prefer it could be an inflection level. And we noticed June no less than come up from Might numbers, although they had been down barely 12 months over 12 months. However final June was the excessive level when it comes to median costs for a house ever, and we’re solely off by 0.9% from that this June. So it does seem like costs might have bottomed out they usually’re on their means again up.

Dave:
That’s wild. At the same time as rates of interest have gone up a bit bit, no less than should you seemed on the three-month rolling common or something. They’ve gone up a bit bit into excessive 8, 7%. Yeah.

Rick:
Properly, once more, on the investor aspect, 8, 9, 10, 12. On the patron aspect, they’re up, however they’ve been buying and selling inside a extremely slim band for the previous couple of months, someplace between six and a half and seven%. When you do the mathematics on a purchase order, the distinction in your month-to-month fee between six and a half and seven%, it’s nominal. So should you can afford to purchase a property with a six and a half p.c mortgage, you possibly can in all probability afford to purchase a property at seven except you had been actually proper on the margins.
I’m nonetheless of the varsity that believes that the Fed might be accomplished or nearly accomplished with its worth hikes, its Fed Fund Price hikes. And as soon as that settles down, I do consider you’ll begin to see mortgage charges come down for the stability of the 12 months.
However the different factor that folks viewing this or listening to this could take into accout is that traditionally, each time we’ve had a reset, whether or not it’s house costs going up or down or its rates of interest going up or down, there’s all the time a interval of adjustment. And I believe we’re seeing the adjustment happening within the housing market in the present day.
So we’re seeing patrons who had sticker shock six months in the past when costs doubled, when mortgage charges doubled, resetting their expectations and perhaps now bidding on a inexpensive home with that greater mortgage fee.
And the opposite factor that’s occurred is, candidly, although costs are showing to stabilize, the amount of gross sales is means off. I had forecasted at first of the 12 months we’d see 4.3, 4.4 million current house gross sales. The June numbers from NAR got here in at 4.28 million for the 12 months. So we’re proper there, however that’s down from 5.2 million final 12 months and 6.2 million the 12 months earlier than. In order that’s the trade-off is costs seem like stabilizing, however the quantity is means off.

Dave:
Only for context, Rick, what do you suppose a standard degree of gross sales quantity is?

Rick:
Usually for our inhabitants, we’d in all probability be a bit over 5 million, someplace between 5 and 6. That’s an important query, Dave. I believe individuals must understand that 2021 was a little bit of an aberration. We had one of many highest years of house gross sales ever, and 4 million is a bit on low aspect. So once more, given our demographics, we’d in all probability be someplace between 5 and 6 million items bought in a 12 months.

Dave:
Properly, I used to be making an attempt to save lots of this query for later, however now we’re on a very good time to ask this as a result of we talked a bit bit about this low stock, how that’s clearly not directly contributing to the shortage of gross sales quantity as is greater rate of interest, demand simply left the market. We see fewer mortgage buy functions, all kinds of indicators right here.
To me, I simply hold questioning how this fixes itself as a result of if the principle motive stock is low is the lock-in impact and there’s loads of motive to consider that it’s, and I’ve not seen anybody forecast mortgage charges going again to 3 or 4 and even 4 and a half p.c, how lengthy may it presumably take for stock to start out approaching pre-pandemic ranges if ever?

Rick:
A pair methods to reply that, Dave. It’s a extremely necessary query. The one situation that I hold seeing individuals promote on YouTube, that makes me need to strangle them-

Dave:
Shadow stock?

Rick:
We’re going to have a glut of houses … Yeah, okay … and in the intervening time, the housing market’s going to crash and residential values are going to lose 20, 30, 40% of worth. And if anyone who’s watching that is tempted to join these companies, name Dave, name me, we’ll speak you off the ledge. It’s simply there’s nothing in play, not one of the dynamics in place that might assist that. That might be a technique of correcting the difficulty, however that’s not going to occur.
I believe the almost certainly situation is that this performs out slowly over the subsequent two to 4 years. And we noticed the same scenario occur again within the ’80s the place we had actually, actually boring house gross sales for plenty of years because the market mainly caught up with greater mortgage charges, greater house costs, and it simply performs out over time. And the explanation it performs out over time is due to inflation and due to wage development. Sooner or later the numbers aren’t fairly as daunting.
And after we discuss this market and also you have a look at affordability, which is actually what drives loads of this, there’s three legs to the stool. The one we’re all speaking about proper now’s mortgage charges. And you actually can’t overstate how large a task low mortgage charges performed within the increase that we went by means of or how large a task doubling these charges had in the way in which quantity has simply dropped off a cliff. The second is house costs, and the third is wage development.
Proper now’s the primary time I bear in mind in a few years the place wage development is definitely outpacing house costs. So house costs have been declining and are literally, in the event that they’re rising now, they’re rising at a decrease tempo than wage development.
So if mortgage charges got here down even a bit bit and residential costs plateaued or began going up at 2, 3% a 12 months and wages grew at 5% a 12 months, over the subsequent few years, affordability would really feel a bit higher and also you’d begin to see extra of those properties come to market and extra patrons come to market.

Dave:
Do you could have any concern although, if mortgage charges come down a bit bit, then it’s simply going to gas extra demand and never essentially extra provide?

Rick:
If mortgage charges come down just a bit bit, say they go down to 6, you in all probability could have extra demand coming to market than provide, which could have the impact of elevating costs and making affordability much more difficult. Now that in itself may get some individuals which might be on the fence to listing their properties due to the quantity of fairness they’ve, and-

Dave:
That’s true.

Rick:
… that could be a carrot that will get some individuals to maneuver ahead. I believe when you get rates of interest down to 5 and a half p.c perhaps or someplace in these mid-fives, you could have lots of people who will then have a look at the market and say, “Okay, 5 and a half isn’t that distant from 4 so far as rates of interest go. Possibly now could be a very good time to promote my property as a result of costs are excessive and I can tolerate that.”
However that delta between a two and a half p.c mortgage and a 7% mortgage is simply too large a monetary hurdle and a psychological hurdle for most individuals to get by. And that was going to be the third situation that’s I do consider we’ve an unusually excessive unfold between what mortgage charges may very well be and what they really are.
For those who don’t know this, mortgage charges for a 30-year mortgage are sometimes based mostly loosely on the yields on a 10-year US Treasury bond, they usually’re normally a few level and a half to 2 factors totally different. So should you seemed on the yield on a treasury bond in the present day, which is let’s say 3.8%, a standard mortgage could be no greater than 5.8%, would possibly even be 5.3%. However due to threat and volatility as a result of what the Federal Reserve has been doing, there’s really a 3 level distinction. So in the present day’s mortgage charges are over 6.8%, which is unusually excessive.
If the Fed settled down and we may simply take the chance and volatility out of the market, we may see rates of interest come down by a full level with out the rest occurring, and that might make a fabric distinction out there.

Dave:
I believe these are all fairly life like eventualities. It’s very laborious to foretell. Do you suppose there’s one specifically you suppose is extra probably than the others?

Rick:
If I needed to guess cash on it, I might say we’re in for 2 to 4 years of fairly unexciting house sales-

Dave:
Quantity?

Rick:
… quantity, whereas issues normalize. And that’s unlucky timing as a result of we’ve the biggest cohort of younger adults between the ages of 25 and 34 in US historical past, and that’s prime age for family formation. And if they will’t discover one thing they will afford to purchase, they’ll search for one thing to lease.
So I do suppose there’ll be alternatives for traders. I believe traders are going to have to stay versatile about their strategy, whether or not they’re rental property traders or repair and flip traders or wholesalers which might be accommodating both of these forms of traders.
But when I needed to guess on almost certainly situation, it will be that mortgage charges come down regularly, costs don’t come down regularly, they hold going up at perhaps a slower fee, and wage development continues to be wholesome besides if we’ve a recession after they’re prone to come down a bit bit after which rebound. And that’s a mix of issues that tends to result in a reasonably gradual gross sales quantity housing marketplace for just a few years.

Dave:
So I need to get again to the survey that you simply did. Clearly we’re speaking in broad nationwide degree developments proper now, however I’m curious should you noticed any regional statewide discrepancies in sentiment in your survey?

Rick:
We didn’t actually cross-reference particular person state points with the sentiment as a result of there weren’t sufficient individuals in any given state to essentially have a statistically important quantity.
What I did discover, should you have a look at the place they’re investing in the present day versus the place they’re planning to take a position, we did see a bit little bit of a decline in states like California, like Arizona, so a few of the Western and Northwestern states. Somewhat bit much less exercise in Florida, which was a bit little bit of a shock to me. And a few of the Mid-Atlantic and Midwest states noticed a bit little bit of a rise in deliberate exercise.
So I don’t know the explanation for it, however one of many states that popped for six months from now was Virginia. So I assume traders perhaps know one thing that the remainder of us don’t concerning the housing market there.

Dave:
I assume my concept is all the time that the extra reasonably priced markets proper now are going to be the extra well-liked ones, however I believe Virginia on state degree continues to be comparatively costly in comparison with loads of different components of the nation.

Rick:
It’s proper about center of the pack when it comes to expense ranges. On the northern a part of the state, you could have your proximity to D.C., which does are likely to inflate house costs a bit bit in Northern Virginia. Components within the south actually aren’t that costly in any respect, and positively components within the west of the state.
One of many issues that could be occurring additionally, Dave, is that traders could be following a few of the migration patterns we’re seeing from a inhabitants standpoint. We noticed enormous swings into, initially, states like Utah and Arizona and Idaho, the Carolinas, Texas, Florida, when COVID hit and folks had been in a position to make money working from home and had been on the lookout for extra reasonably priced markets to purchase properties in. And that inflated house costs in a few of these markets to the place we’re seeing a resetting now in states like Arizona and Idaho, which in all probability had worth will increase that outpaced market realities.
However we’re seeing inhabitants development and job development proceed in a few of these Southeastern and Midwestern states, even states like Texas within the South. Nearly each market in Texas is displaying development aside from Austin proper now, each in job development and worth development. And once more, Austin was a kind of high-flyers in the course of the large days of the pandemic.
So it may very well be that if I’m an investor, if I can monitor the place inhabitants is rising and the place jobs are rising, these are two indicators that you simply in all probability have a housing market that’s rising as nicely, each for gross sales and for leases. And it could be that traders are listening to these developments.

Dave:
I might suppose so. I imply, we discuss it sufficient on the present, so perhaps. I might like to suppose that we’re shifting markets right here, however I don’t suppose that we’re precisely at that scale but. However I imply it is smart. When you’re on the lookout for excessive likelihood lease and worth appreciation locations to observe, pop migration and family development, these are issues that drive demand.

Rick:
And the inverse of that’s true, too. California misplaced a internet of 300,000 individuals final 12 months, and the federal government used to pooh-pooh that by saying, “Oh, it’s all retirees.” And now what we’re seeing is younger faculty graduates additionally leaving the state. I’ve an grownup son residing at house. He and his soon-to-be fiance who’s a lawyer, are speaking about what state they could want to maneuver to in an effort to ever personal a home.

Dave:
It’s loopy.

Rick:
So I do suppose there’s a few of that occurring. And also you have a look at costs in Coastal California, the Pacific Northwest, components of Arizona, they’re down 10% 12 months over 12 months. So should you’re an investor, do you need to guess that you simply’re coming on the backside of the market in California and nonetheless paying $830,000 for a home, or would you somewhat take a few of that money and transfer it to a market that appears extra poised for development?

Dave:
That undoubtedly is smart. You’re in California?

Rick:
I’m in Southern California, Orange County.

Dave:
Okay. Properly, in all probability nonetheless a pleasant place to reside.

Rick:
It’s a beautiful place to reside for lots of causes, however candidly, my spouse and I are speaking about the place we would transfer after I retire. So it’s a really real-world situation for lots of Californians.

Dave:
So congratulations on the survey. That is superior. I really like seeing this. Is the plan to do that periodically so you possibly can monitor sentiment over time?

Rick:
Yeah. We’ll be fielding our subsequent survey in August, pushing out the ends in September. We need to have this on the market accessible quarterly. We surveyed over 300 traders for this one. I’m hopeful that we’ll get extra curiosity as we go ahead from those that need to take part on this and share their views. And so yeah, it’s going to be a quarterly occasion.

Dave:
Nice. Properly, let me know while you do. We’d love to try the outcomes and have you ever again to debate them as a result of I believe that is actually useful to our specific viewers. As we mentioned on the high of the present, there’s tons of details about house patrons. And people developments are considerably useful, however actually understanding the area of interest of what all of our colleagues and friends as small actual property traders are doing is tremendous useful.

Rick:
Yeah, we thought that was lacking from the market and that’s why RCN and my firm determined that it was time to provoke one thing like this.

Dave:
All proper, nice. Properly, Rick, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us. We actually respect you each time we come right here On the Market. If individuals need to be taught extra concerning the survey or your new firm, the place ought to they do this?

Rick:
You’ll be able to all the time discover me on Twitter or X or no matter it’s referred to as today. My deal with is simply Rick Sharga. You’ll be able to attain out to me on LinkedIn. The report’s accessible on the RCN Capital web site. That’s simply rcncapital.com. And you could find extra details about my firm at cjpatrick.com.

Dave:
Superior. And I did, really, that was one query I wished to ask you since you had been one of many unique individuals I began following on Twitter. I used to be very late to Twitter, and I used to be questioning, are you on threads now? Are you threading?

Rick:
I’m not threading but. I’m ready to see how that truly shakes out. And I’m additionally ready to see what Mastermind Musk does with Twitter, if he winds up blowing that up. However-

Dave:
Yeah, you bought to name it X now, as of some days in the past.

Rick:
Proper now my social channels are Twitter, LinkedIn. And I’m nonetheless on Fb and that’s a mixture of private {and professional}.

Dave:
Rick, thanks once more for becoming a member of us. We respect you being right here.

Rick:
Thanks for having me.

Dave:
Thanks a lot to Rick once more for becoming a member of us for this episode of On The Market. We all the time respect it when he’s right here. It was nice. I actually like having these repeat visitors on as a result of it’s actually fascinating to see how their ideas evolve over time. I’m curious should you like having these repeat visitors on and who your favourite visitors are.
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